W. Duehring, PDASD Reserve Affairs
Lt. General Russell C. Davis, chief, National Guard Bureau
Vice Admiral John B. Totushek, chief, Naval Reserve
Lt. General Roger C. Schultz, director, Army National Guard
Maj. General Paul A. Weaver Jr., director, Air National Guard
Maj. General Arnold L. Punaro, ADCS for Manpower and Reserve Affairs
Rear Admiral Dennis Sirois, director of Res. and Trn., Coast Guard Reserve
September 14, 2001
QUESTION: Can you give us a clearer sense of what has happened since Tuesday in terms
of people coming in from all over the country to all the different Reserve and
National Guard units?
DUEHRING: Well, I can -- I know that there are a number of Guard and Reserve,
especially National Guard personnel who have been recalled by their states in
New York and certainly in Virginia around here under Title 32.
So they're already out there working.
In addition, we have had people who are knocking on the doors, seeking to help.
They want to serve. They want to be a part of this. They're very emotional.
We've had to say, "Wait a little bit. You know, it's -- we've only had
a matter of hours since this all began." We are proceeding along our way,
and now we have the authorization to bring those people on board.
In addition, we've had quite a number of calls over at the -- we call it ESGR
-- office from companies who have said, "How can we help?" And I'll
cite some. The Colorado Springs Utilities, Advance Auto Parts, which is a national
chain, and Georgia Pacific have specifically called in and said, "What
can we do in anticipation of our people leaving and going to federal service?
How can we make that transition easier? How can we make life a lot more easy
for their families?"
And so the movement is very broad and very deep, and it's started, and now we
are at the point where we have been authorized to actually bring some of these
people on board. We're mentally prepared to do so.
QUESTION: Can we bring General Punaro on to talk about the Marine contribution?
DUEHRING: We can. Did you want get one more question, follow up?
QUESTION: Yeah. I just want to get straight on this volunteer thing. I think we're
a bit confused. It seems to be that we have about 5,000 volunteers in New York
and -- 5,000 volunteers from the Army Guard and 4,600 from the Air Guard. And
what percentage of these have been since Tuesday? Under normal circumstances,
are there National Guard volunteers that are doing things at various parts around
the country? How much is this related to Tuesday?
DUEHRING: Well, the ones in New York are obviously responding to this particular
incident as it occurred. And they will initially be called up by the governor.
And he alerted the entire National Guard, over 20,000 Army and Air Guardsmen,
and put them on alert. And he's only calling as many of them as he needs to
Now that's in what we call state active duty. General Schultz talked to that.
That's paid for by the state, and they're under the state authority, and they
do the missions as required and delegated down by the state.
QUESTION: So you don't have a separate breakout of how many of those were called by
the governor and how many volunteered on their own, or are those --
DUEHRING: That entire 5,000 were called by the governor, both Army Guard and
Air Guard, in that particular instance.
QUESTION: Okay. You're calling them volunteers -- all those you have called up, the
GEN. DAVIS: They're calling up folks.
They may or may not be volunteers in the state status. I don't want to get it
too confusing for you here.
QUESTION: Is it a true statement for us to go back and add these numbers together and
say about 10,000 Guardspeople have been activated either by the state or have
volunteered their services?
GEN. DAVIS: I think that's accurate. I'd be comfortable with that.
QUESTION: And the 5,000 number -- does that mean that that --
GEN. DAVIS: It's less than that, I think, probably --
GEN. DAVIS: -- but fairly close, yes.
QUESTION: But the 35,000 we're talking about to be activated will be over and above
these, right? These --
GEN. DAVIS: They may be some of the same people, and they may not be. We were
just talking about that a little bit early (sic). These are people who are volunteers.
They -- the 35,000 is involuntary.
QUESTION: Well! (Laughter.)
GEN. DAVIS: Okay? When we --
QUESTION: So if you had 35,000 volunteers, you wouldn't need to do an involuntary --
GEN. DAVIS: If they could stay for that amount of time, Mr. McWethy. The problem
is, we can't always determine that.
People volunteer and they can stay for two weeks, and then they go back home,
go back to their jobs. If we need them to stay four to five weeks, that's why
we have the partial-MOB. And if it is a hard requirement, and don't have anybody
to replace them, then we need that individual, we will call that individual.
And that's why Mr. Duehring was saying, we will only call people -- as many
people for as long as we need them.
MR. DUEHRING: Let me just give you a little different scenario, there. You know,
this is only -- this happened just a couple of days ago, that all this started.
And if you work with the number that we have now come to, which is 35,000, those
people didn't wait. The governors didn't wait for us to determine that we would
need, for this entire crisis, 35,000 people. So these -- some of them were called
in already. And I've heard stories this morning in the press that there are
people out there digging in the dirt now that have been working continuously
since Tuesday. So, think in terms of relief, too. We have people that'll be
working 12-hour shifts, and we're just now catching up to that. So perhaps when
some of these people go back and get their rest, they'll be back in a slightly
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, can we hear from General Punaro about what the Marines need?
MAJOR GENERAL ARNOLD PUNARO (director, Marine Corps Reserve): I'm Major General
Arnold Punaro, P-U-N-A-R-O, and I'm the director of the Marine Corps Reserve.
Our anticipated contribution is really in two categories. One, individuals,
and let's call them Individual Mobilization Augmentees. And these are people
that have a job in one of our Marine organizations or in a joint organization
or here at OSD. And they train for that in peacetime, and then in a contingency,
come on full- time active duty. I happen to be just one such individual. I'm
a Reservist. I'm an Individual Mobilization Augmentee (IMA), and now I'm coming
on active duty full-time in my job that I do in peacetime as director of the
Marine Corps Reserve.
We have IMAs that will be augmenting our operational staffs. As you well know,
the Pentagon and the people in the field are working around the clock. And therefore,
just like all the other services, their IMAs are coming on board and they do
these jobs in peace time -- this is what they do as their normal Reserve job;
now they will be coming on and doing it full-time. Many of them have already
shown up. They didn't wait for the call-up; they're volunteering, and they've
And we will get the requirements from the field for how many more people they
need in the individual category. We're looking for special skills in certain
areas -- force protection, counterterrorism, experts in the civilian world that
will come on as Reservists and serve in various organizations. So we have the
individual category, and then we have the unit category.
In the unit category -- most of them that we anticipate filling the requirements
of the commanders are the similar ones that the secretary has mentioned -- riflemen,
infantry type personnel, military police, engineers, heavy equipment operators,
We have a large communication -- Reserve communication battalion in the Northeast,
6th Com Battalion, and we would be ready if requested and required for those
personnel to provide additional communications. We were supporting the Air Reserve
and the Air Guard with some of our fighters out of the Reserves and some of
the CAPs that were flying around the country and here in the Washington area
in recent days.
So that's kind of the range, the civil affairs unit, that's kind of the range
of what we expect, but as the secretary said at the outset, we all on the Reserve
side respond to the requirements as established by the active-duty war-fighters
in the higher commands, and they will be looking at what they think they need
to do, and they will be coming to each of the services and saying, "Who
can you provide to fill that role?" And then the service will look and
see what have we got available on the active side, and then they say will say,
okay, maybe we better fill that from the Reserve.
And I think one thing that we ought to be mindful of is you're looking at, as
the secretary of Defense and others have said, a long- term situation, and so
you need people on the individual and unit nature to be able to sustain something
over a longer period of time.
QMr. Duehring, I think it's sort of inevitable that the American people are
going to view what we're talking about here today as the first step of the military
response to what happened on Tuesday. Is that a fair way to look at this? And
-- is that a fair way to look at this?
DUEHRING: Well, you know, the Guard -- the National Guard and the Reserve components
are full partners in the total force. And this has been our concept now for
at least 10 years, if not before that. And our people are fully trained across
the full spectrum of military operations. And quite frankly, you can't really
conduct a sustained military operation without the active involvement of the
National Guard and the Reserves. It's just as simple as that. So any time you
have any kind of a movement on a large scale, they have to be involved. And
in many cases, they are already involved; you just don't see it because it's
not obvious to you. So this is a natural step that we had to take at this point.
QUESTION: Who is the CINC that will determine the needs? Is that USACOM?
DUEHRING: Well, actually, there's a number of them that get involved in this.
And I'll give you a scenario here. If you're talking about air defense, NORAD
comes under U.S. Space Command. However, the aircraft and the crews are owned
by Air Combat Command.
And, you know, as we move the responsibilities around, there are other people
who will play in this as well.
QUESTION: So the USACOM, the Norad. Who else -- what other CINCs?
DUEHRING: I don't know if I could give you -- I'd have to give you the
QUESTION: (Off mike.)
QUESTION: But the bottom line is you have all these volunteers out there; you have
a 35,000 pool. So you don't know when or how many of those you're going to have
to call because you have all these volunteers; isn't that right?
DUEHRING: No. Our volunteers at this point are significantly fewer than that.
But what we're saying is we anticipate for our needs here, for the homeland
defense and civil support missions, that we will need 35,000.
QUESTION: But particular units, and so forth, when will that be determined?
DUEHRING: Just as quickly as possible.
QUESTION: So next week, or --
DUEHRING: I honestly don't have the answer to that. I'm not trying to evade
it; I just don't know.
QUESTION: Could any of the chiefs here address that question and clarify for me the
chain of command for those units that are being called for military missions,
that is not supporting the civil missions, which require civilian oversight
and civilian approval, but the -- I assume for Norad, and the like, that there
is a military chain of command that could move more quickly and thus get some
of these units identified and called up more quickly.
GEN. WEAVER (?): It might be helpful to think about the numbers that are in
this authority as rough numbers. And that gives all the CINCs around the world
the ability to now go into specifics about what units they think they're going
to need to augment their particular area of responsibility. We expect that areas
other than -- as tensions heighten, for instance, in the Middle East, that CENTCOM
may be interested in some augmentation. We're already getting some rumblings
about that. But at this phase, it's just preliminary dialogue about what have
you got available. And so we're talking back and forth.
But the chain of command will come from the CINC to the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
then to the appropriate service, who will contact the Reserve component, and
go back up, and will then respond to that combatant CINC. So it could be --
depending upon what part of the world that we're talking about, it could be
any number of CINCs.
QUESTION: Could you clarify for me what protections that a person who's called to duty
has in terms of whether his or her civilian job will be there for them when
their time is up. And do they have more protection if they're called versus
coming in and volunteering?
DUEHRING: The answer is yes, there is a federal statute, called USSERA (Uniformed
Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994"), that guarantees
a person's job for up to five years under these conditions -- in fact, under
any kind of conditions where a person is called to military duty.
QUESTION: How about the person who comes and volunteers? Does he or she also have that
DUEHRING: If they are under orders, they have the same protection, although
there are some slight differences.
QUESTION: Admiral, do you expect any of your air units, either mobility or fighter
units, to be called?
TOTUSHEK: We don't think we'll probably be calling whole units for that. We
have been partaking -- like the Marine Corps, we've been standing some of the
CAP duty around the country. It's been kind of interesting. In one particular
case, as a matter fact, we borrowed missiles from the National Guard and stood
CAP with our F- 18s.
So we will do those, I think, on an as-needed basis. But we don't expect those
units to be recalled.
You may know our inter-theater lift airplanes operate around the world. If you
see a Navy airplane that's a lift airplane, it's a Reserve airplane. We do that
every day of the week anyway. We will continue that kind of support.
QUESTION: Admiral, regarding the --
QUESTION: Are your new airlifters -- are the first of them operational yet?
TOTUSHEK: Yes, we've got three of them flying now.
QUESTION: Regarding the CAP duty, the question arises, what are you protecting against?
If another airliner is hijacked and is headed toward the Capitol or the Washington
Monument, do your people have authority on orders to shoot it down, rather than
destroy the White House? What does this CAP duty entail?
TOTUSHEK: Right. I couldn't address that under this classification. But we are
standing CAP just like any other CAP, under the circumstances that we have --
QUESTION: Protecting against what?
TOTUSHEK: Whatever we are directed to protect against. I mean, it may not be
that it's going to be an other airliner. It might be something else.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary --
DUEHRING: Could I follow up on that? The gentlemen's been waiting very patiently.
QUESTION: I just wanted to get a quick question to the secretary. If down the road
the secretary of Defense decides that he needed more than 50,000, would he have
to go back to the president to seek additional authority, a new authority, a
renewal of the authority, or --
DUEHRING: Not under law, but under the terms of an agreement that they have
that he will consult with the White House, with the president, before he exceeds
the 50,000 cap.
QUESTION: All right. Thank you.
DUEHRING: I'd like to invite Admiral Sirois to come up and talk for a moment
about the Coast Guard Reserve.
SIROIS: Good afternoon. Rear Admiral Denny Sirois, S- I-R-O-I-S.
Our small Reserve force is needed for our Coast Guard performance missions,
especially under this heightened security we have right now. Primarily, it's
in an argumentation role, but we have one specific mission, the port security
mission, that most of our capability exists in the Reserve forces right now.
We already have a thousand Reservists called up. The secretary of Transportation
has some unique authorities that he can recall the Coast Guard Reserve for domestic
emergencies, and he did that on Tuesday evening. So we have about a thousand
folks right now augmenting and performing port security, some coastal security,
and vessel traffic service missions in our ports.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, to sort of follow-up on Charlie's question, when you're talking
about -- what exactly are you talking about when you talk about "homeland
defense"? I mean, what is the mission? And secondly, are we only concentrating
on New York and Washington? Or are we talking about the whole country?
DUEHRING: Well, I kept a kind of a general answer on it. You know, in the title,
homeland defense would cover anything that would be protecting our homeland,
and I don't want to get into too great of detail at this type of a briefing.
But we did want to differentiate between homeland defense and the civil support
missions, which is what we are gearing up for right now.
Did anybody have any other questions for Admiral Sirois, by the --
QUESTION: On Coast Guard call-up, would those be in addition -- would the authority
to call up additional Coast Guard people be in addition to the thousand you've
QUESTION: Admiral, when you talk about vessel security, are you talking about protecting
U.S. ships and protecting U.S. -- well, U.S. warships or whatever, or are you
talking about possibly searching incoming vessels for --
SIROIS: All of the above.
QUESTION: -- for perhaps nuclear devices, that kind of thing?
SIROIS: All of the above. Cruise ships -- assuring the safety of cruise ships
coming and leaving our waters.
QUESTION: Admiral -- (off mike) -- these units were called up for the Gulf after the
QUESTION: Is this kind of a replicative event of small, small special --
SIROIS: Same units, exactly the same units.
QUESTION: The same guys or different?
SIROIS: Yes, same guys.
QUESTION: Could you describe what they're doing?
SIROIS: They have in each unit approximately six to eight high-speed, armed
small boats, and they provide waterside security to port facilities or anchored
vessels, approaches to the harbors.
QUESTION: Are they only in New York or are they in Washington as well?
SIROIS: I can't tell you where we have them deployed right now.
QUESTION: Admiral, we've seen new security measures at airports, jersey barriers going
up, new inspections. Are there new inspections, for example, if a cruise ship
pulls up in New York Harbor? Are you doing things now that you wouldn't have
been doing before Tuesday to inspect the ship and its passengers?
SIROIS: I'll expect there'll be heightened security measures for cruise ships,
as well as commercial ships in our ports.
QUESTION: Can you tell us what those measures would be?
SIROIS: More of what we're doing now. More detailed crew checks or passenger
checks, for instance.
QUESTION: Secretary, I just want to go back to the answer about another call-up. You
said that the president would not have to authorize it, that the secretary could
do it but would have to consult with the president. Just clarify that for me.
DUEHRING: Well, under the terms of the partial mobilization -- let me just go
through that. It requires a declaration of national emergency.
QUESTION: Has that been done?
DUEHRING: It has been done. [ Declaration of National Emergency ]
QUESTION: When was that done?
QUESTION: By the president?
DUEHRING: Yes. Report to Congress every six months on our progress. It involves
the ready reserve, which I've already explained. The cap is 1 million people,
and the limit is two years. Under a handshake agreement, the secretary of Defense
will discuss with the White House the situation if he exceeds 50,000. That's
just an in-house arrangement that they have to -- go ahead.
QUESTION: Is there a difference in the type of law enforcement support the National
Guard can provide under state status versus federal status?
DUEHRING: Yes. Under the Title 32, when the governor calls up, they have, you
know, police powers. They can arrest. Just consider that as being the basic
difference. Under Title 10, under federal law, it's more in the -- you'd have
to have a national emergency, which we have, but it's more of a Guard-type activity.
And I really can't go any deeper than that because I really -- I just don't
have that --
QUESTION: This handshake agreement, is it between Rumsfeld and Bush or does it pre-date
DUEHRING: It's part of this particular operation today.
QUESTION: So they made the agreement themselves.
DUEHRING: It was done between the Pentagon and the White House.
QUESTION: So what you're saying, in effect, is the president has activated -- has authorized
the department to call up up to 1 million under his power, but under an agreement
between the secretary -- if it goes over 50,000, the SecDef will go back and
ask for more.
DUEHRING: That's correct.
QUESTION: One more, just following up on the first question. Again, under homeland
defense, are we talking about beefing up security across the country or are
we talking about specifically New York and Washington?
DUEHRING: You know, they're going to look at a broad range of options. For one
thing, we don't know exactly where the threat is. They're going to discover
this as things evolve. They're going to changing their modus operandi. So I'd
hate to put any limitations on. The other problem is I don't want to go into
any detail on the actual operations themselves. I don't think that's appropriate
to this forum.
Let me close with just a couple of comments. The events of this week, you know,
have touched each and every one of us deeply and personally. If we didn't know
someone directly who was involved in this attack, undoubtedly, you know, we
knew someone else who did.
And that's because in the National Guard and the Reserves, we consider ourselves
a family. And we are -- we come from the communities, every community across
this great country of ours and represent the breadth and depth of the American
spirit. Many Americans have asked how they can help, and now some of our citizens
will begin to help by trading their work clothes for a uniform as their parents
and grandparents did in the past and answer the call to carry out their military
To those of you who are employers of these people, we ask you to help make their
transition an easy one as they leave their homes and families to perform their
For those of you who know a member of the National Guard or the Reserve, take
time to thank them for the sacrifice that they are making as they join the ranks
of the heroes who are even now working so hard in New York City and just outside
our building here at the Pentagon.
Finally, keep them and all who serve in the cause of freedom in your daily prayers.