Availability with General Tommy Franks
The Prairie Chapel Ranch
December 28, 2001
9:58 A.M. CST
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. As you can see, I've invited a guest to come to
the ranch. Tommy Franks is no stranger to Texas. After all, he was raised in
Midland, Texas. And I'm looking forward to taking him over to the house here
in a minute to say hello to Laura. Both of them went to Midland Lee High School,
at about the same time.
But Tommy has just come back from the Afghan theater. He gave me a full briefing
on what he saw and what he heard. We just got off of a teleconference with the
national security team, to discuss his trip and to discuss what's taking place
I want to thank you for coming, Tommy. I am real proud of the military, and
I'm proud of the commander. Tommy has done everything we've asked. He is fulfilling
the mission with patience and discipline and success. He's a down-to-earth,
no-nonsense guy. Precisely the kind of man we need to lead a complex mission
such as this.
You know, a couple of months ago, a lot of people said that this administration
and our military really weren't sure what we were doing. But I had confidence
all along. And the reason why I did -- confidence in the success of what we
set out to do -- was because I had a chance to be briefed by Tommy Franks on
the strategy and on the plan, and on how we were going to use our United States
military. And he hasn't let us down. The country needs to be proud of the military,
and one reason that I'm so pleased to welcome Tommy, is to be able to say that
out loud in Tommy's presence.
So I'm going to have Tommy say a few words, and then we'll be glad to answer
a couple of questions.
GENERAL FRANKS: Thank you, Mr. President. As the President said, my wife and
I recently have had an opportunity to be with a bunch of great young people
-- soldiers and sailors, airmen, Marines -- in the front-line states around
Afghanistan and in Afghanistan, and Kandahar and at Camp Rhino and up in Kabul.
We had a chance to meet with these young people who are doing the work for the
We also had a chance to attend the installation ceremony in Afghanistan, where
we saw Mr. Karzai and members of that team form an interim government in Afghanistan,
where for the first time in decades, more than 26 million people will have an
opportunity to have their way represented in that government.
And the combination of seeing these great young people and seeing this momentous
event just filled me with a desire to be able to brief the President on what's
going on over there in the theater, on what our people are doing, how they feel
about what they're doing.
And so, Mr. President, thanks very much for having me out here in Crawford.
THE PRESIDENT: You bet.
QUESTION: Mr. President, what's your reaction to the new bin Laden tape this
week? And do you fear he's now alluded the manhunt? Also, are you concerned
that if military tribunals require a unanimous verdict for the death penalty,
some terrorists could avoid execution?
THE PRESIDENT: Let me start with the first of your three questions. Which was
what? I've already forgotten.
QUESTION: What's your reaction to the bin Laden tape. Are you afraid he's alluded
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, the tape, yes. I didn't watch it all. I saw snippets of it
on TV. You know, it's -- who knows when it was made. Secondly, he is not escaping
us. This is a guy who, three months ago, was in control of a county. Now he's
maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run.
Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than
bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running
and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening.
He's on the run, if he's running at all.
So we don't know whether he's in a cave with the door shut, or a cave with the
door open -- we just don't know. There's all kinds of reports and all kinds
of speculation. But one thing we know is that he's not in charge of Afghanistan
anymore. He's not in charge of the -- he's not the parasite that invaded the
host, the Taliban. We know that for certain. And we also know that we're on
the hunt, and he knows that we're on the hunt. And I like our position better
In terms of whether or not the tribunals will be able to render the justice
necessary, that -- I spoke to the Secretary of Defense today about the story
in the newspaper. Evidently, somebody in our government wanted to show off to
his family, or her family, in between Christmas and New Year's by leaking information
in the press that he or she thought would be helpful to the government. The
truth of the matter is the Secretary of Defense hadn't even seen the report
that was on the front page of America's newspapers.
So my answer to your question, Scott, is I know that the leaked report is preliminary,
that they're still in discussions about how best to bring justice. But one thing
is for certain, that whatever the procedures are for the military tribunals,
our system will be more fair than the system of bin Laden and the Taliban. That
is for certain. The prisoners that we capture will be given a heck of a lot
better chance in court than those citizens of ours who were in the World Trade
Center or in the Pentagon were given by Mr. bin Laden.
David. Good to see you.
QUESTION: Good to see you.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you.
QUESTION: Can you say with confidence now that Osama bin Laden in no longer
in a position to mastermind another terrorist attack against the United States
or our allies? And related to that, you talked about 2002 being a year of war.
What can you say to prepare the American people for what that vision is, what
they need to be prepared for, as compared to what they've seen in Afghanistan?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I hope 2002 is a year of peace. But I am also realistic,
and I know full well that bin Laden and his cronies would like to harm America
again, bin Laden and his cronies would like to harm our allies. How do I know
that? I receive intelligence reports on a daily basis that indicates that that's
his desires. And therefore, the United States must be vigilant, must make sure
we continue to focus on our homeland security measures, must disrupt, must use
our intelligence-gathering network to prevent the enemy from attacking.
And so, while I hope 2002 is a year of peace, I'm realistic. As to whether or
not bin Laden is in control of some network, who knows? The thing we're certain
about is that he's on the run, that he's hiding in caves, if hiding at all.
And the other thing I'm certain about is we will bring him to justice. I don't
know whether it's going to be tomorrow, but Tommy will tell you that I haven't
said, Tommy, get him tomorrow. I said, just get him. And we will. We will bring
him to justice.
We don't know, David, whether or not he's given any orders to any of his soldiers,
but we take nothing for granted. And so our country still remains on alert,
and we're actively looking for anybody who would harm America.
The shoe bomber was a case in point, where the country has been on alert. A
stewardess on an American Airlines flight -- or a flight attendant on an American
Airlines flight was vigilant, saw something amiss, and responded. It's an indication
that the culture of America has shifted to one of alertness. And I'm grateful
for the flight attendant's response, as I'm sure the passengers on that airplane.
But we've got to be aware that there are still enemies to the country. And our
government is responding accordingly.
QUESTION: Mr. President, do you think that India and Pakistan are sliding toward
THE PRESIDENT: One of the things that we discussed today in the national security
conference, and I discussed yesterday with members of my national security team,
was the India and Pakistan issue. Colin Powell has spoke to both sides today,
urging restraint, urging calm. I was pleased to -- I'm pleased to note that
President Musharraf has announced the arrest of 50 extreme terrorists -- extremists
or terrorists. And I hope India takes note of that, that the President is responding
forcefully and actively to bring those who would harm others to justice.
The war on terror is not just an American war on terrorists, it's a civilized
government war on terror that we're talking about here. But my government and
my administration is working actively to bring some calm in the region, to hopefully
convince both sides to stop the escalation of force. And as I say, I'm pleased
that President Musharraf is responding to the Indian requests to round up those
who would do harm to others and incarcerate them, which he did.
QUESTION: Are you making any calls yourself, sir?
THE PRESIDENT: Not yet. I will if need be. As a matter of fact, I have been
making calls recently to leaders in our own hemisphere. I spoke to the Presidents
of Mexico and Uruguay, Chile and Brazil about the Argentinean situation. I made
it clear to those governments that we want to work with them, to work together
to make sure that the Argentineans understand that we will support a plan that
sustains economic growth. We're willing to offer technical assistance through
the IMF; that our government is aware of what's taking place and that we're
fully engaged in the issue.
QUESTION: Mr. President, some say that the events of 2001 have changed you,
while others say that you're the same person you always were --
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
QUESTION: Who's right? Or is it fair to say there's some truth in both arguments?
THE PRESIDENT: Talk to my wife. (Laughter.) I don't know. I don't spend a lot
of time looking in the mirror. Except when I comb my hair. And -- listen, I'll
give you a hint. I liked coming to the ranch before September the 11th; I like
coming to the ranch after September the 11th.
QUESTION: -- the war for a moment. Have you had any contact with Ken Lay or
other Enron officials in the last six weeks --
THE PRESIDENT: No.
QUESTION: -- and do you think that there is something the government should
do to help Enron --
THE PRESIDENT: I have had no contact with Enron officials in the last six weeks.
Do I think the government ought to help what now?
QUESTION: Help Enron or do something to help prevent some of these employees
from losing their life savings.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think the life savings issue is something we need to
look into. I think it's very important to understand what took place. The government
will be looking into this. I mean, the SEC will be looking into matters, Congress
appears to be looking into matters. There will be a lot of government inquiry
into Enron and what took place there.
I'm deeply concerned about the citizens of Houston who worked for Enron who
lost life savings. It's very troubling to read the stories about those who locked
up Enron stock -- had their Enron stock locked up in their 401K plans, and then
saw their savings dissipate. I think it's very important for us to fully understand
the why's of Enron. And there will be plenty of investigations.
QUESTION: Sir, will you make recess appointments --
THE PRESIDENT: Thinking about it. I don't know yet. I'm right now focused on
the military operations in Afghanistan and giving Tommy a tour of my ranch.
But I, at the appropriate time, will take a good, hard look at recess appointments.
I'm disappointed that a lot of my appointments were stalled in the United States
Senate, weren't given a hearing. This Scalia man got out of committee, but never
given a vote on the floor of the Senate. He's a good fellow, he ought to be
approved. But I'll take a good, hard look at all the options available to me.
QUESTION: Mr. President, is there a timetable in your mind for withdrawing U.S.
troops from Afghanistan? Or as long as bin Laden is still on the run, do you
imagine them being there indefinitely?
THE PRESIDENT: I imagine us being there for quite a long period of time. But
my timetable is going to be set by Tommy Franks. Tommy is in charge of the military
operations; he's in charge of the military. I'll let Tommy speak for himself,
but I will tell you this -- we won't be making political decisions about what
to do with our military.
I gave Tommy a mission; it was a well-defined mission. And Tommy is in charge
of getting that mission done, and when Tommy says, "Mission complete, Mr.
President," that's when we start moving troops out. But until he says that,
I am -- I will make the case to the American people that we're doing the right
QUESTION: What's your definition of the mission being complete in Afghanistan,
THE PRESIDENT: In Afghanistan? Well, Taliban gone, the country secure, the country
stable, that al Qaeda cells rounded up, Taliban fighters brought to justice.
The over 6,000 troops, prisoners being held -- prisoners of war being held by
our allies interrogated, finger-printing. I mean, there's a lot to do. And the
American people just must understand when I said that we need to be patient,
that I meant it. And we're going to be there for a while. And I don't know the
exact moment when we leave, David, but it's not until this mission is complete.
The world must know that this administration will not blink in the face of danger,
and will not tire when it comes to completing the missions that we said we would
do. The world will learn that when the United States is harmed, we will follow
through. The world will see that when we put a coalition together that says,
"join us," I mean it. And when I ask others to participate, I mean
it. And in order to lead the coalition, we must show that we will complete the
mission. And part of that mission is, as Tommy will tell you, is to make sure
that Afghanistan is a stable country.
And he's got a lot to say on that if you want him to talk about it. Okay, bring
the man to the Mike.
QUESTION: General Franks, could you talk about how you took evasive action when
you were fired upon the other day? There was a report yesterday that your helicopter
was fired upon.
QUESTION: You should get right to that, sir, after you do the first question.
GENERAL FRANKS: Let me take that -- let me take your question first. As we look
around, today we have more than 50 nations involved in this coalition effort,
and around Afghanistan, providing support and so forth. We have 26 nations represented
at our headquarters down in Tampa, Florida. We have 16 nations represented on
the ground or in the air or at sea around Afghanistan.
And it's interesting that over the past 10 days, the numbers I've just described
have grown rather than shrinking. I think the view is that Afghanistan is a
part of a global effort against terrorism, that we'll stay in Afghanistan as
long as it takes to do what the President has said. We will do away with the
Taliban, and that has been done. We now have a legitimate interim government
We will destroy the al Qaeda terrorist network inside Afghanistan. We will take
care of the screening and the work that needs to be done with all these detainees
-- finger-printing, DNA work, photography, screening, interrogation. We'll determine
which ones need to be brought out and need to be handled in some form of legal
How long will that take? I think the President said it immediately after the
11th of September, and I think many of us have said it about every day since
then: It will take as long as it takes.
Interesting to me, the fact that these young people standing at Kandahar Airport
a few nights ago, in the middle of the night, watching the USO show, showed
me absolutely no desire to leave their mission at all. And so, I think it's
best for all of us to recognize that we will not be hurried, we will not be
pressed into doing something that does not represent our national objectives.
And we will take as long as it takes.
And a very short answer to the business of the helicopter -- I have been told
since I took that helicopter ride that someone took a shot at the helicopter.
I didn't see it when it happened, and I believe it may have happened, but then
again, this is Afghanistan and we have pockets of Taliban still in that country.
And that's one of the reasons that we're going to stay there until we have mopped
all that up.
QUESTION: Mr. President --
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. It's your big day, Scott, two questions.
QUESTION: A one-part question this time, I promise.
THE PRESIDENT: Four questions, excuse me. (Laughter.)
QUESTION: Would you prefer to see bin Laden captured and questioned about the
attacks and possible future attacks?
THE PRESIDENT: You know, dead or alive is fine with me.
QUESTION: Mr. President, you mentioned Argentina and you talked about you support
more technical assistance from the IMF for them. Would you support more money
for Argentina from the IMF, or has the well kind of run dry there?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, it depends upon what Argentina decides to do. The key for
Argentina is to get her fiscal house in order, get monetary policy in order,
and to develop a plan that will show sustained economic vitality and economic
growth. But it's up to Argentina on how to develop the plan. As you know, there's
been an interim government in place, there will be elections in a couple of
months. And the point we've made to the Argentinean government, as well as to
our friends in the region, is that we will be willing to help them develop the
plan, if they ask for technical advice. It will all be done through the IMF.
But the first order of business is for the Argentineans to develop a plan to
show us how they're going to get their house in order. They've got a lot of
work to do, but -- and all of us that are concerned about Argentina are willing
to work together to get the job done. There was near unanimity on my phone calls
to the other leaders in the region that -- of the course of action that I just
QUESTION: Have you decided that anybody should be subjected to a military tribunal?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, Americans shouldn't, as you know. I mean, I excluded any
QUESTION: Of the prisoners, have you decided that any one --
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, have I made any decisions yet? Not at all, not yet, Dave.
We're still -- I still want to make sure that the -- I still want to see what
the Secretary of Defense recommends as to how to proceed. He has -- as I said,
he hasn't seen the now famous document that some American decided to leak.
I don't know why people do that. I guess either to make you feel good, and-or
to make themselves feel good. But, nevertheless, it was not very helpful. And
as the Secretary of Defense said, he hasn't even seen the document yet. But
they're working through, and we're working through, as you know, all the other
types of cases that have come forward. I mean, as Tommy said, there's a lot
of people to be questioned, and there's also a lot of decisions to be made as
to how to run these folks through our system. And we're just not quite there
yet. We've got time.
QUESTION: What about Walker?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, same situation. We've got time. And Walker is well-berthed
on a U.S. warship. It's a heck of a lot more comfortable on that ship than he
was in the basement of that prison. When he decided -- when he was captured,
Walker made a terrible decision, and our system is such that he'll have proper
justice. But he's working with the enemy, and we'll see how the courts deal
QUESTION: Sir, were you upset that that Secret Service agent was kept off that
plane? Because you have been saying this --
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I was. I talked to the man this morning. I told him how
proud I was that he was by my side. He's here on the ranch, and he's guarding
me. And, of course, I was. We'll let the facts -- they're going to get the facts
out. There's an inquiry going on as to specifically what took place. But if
he was treated that way because of his ethnicity, that will make me madder than
QUESTION: There are increasing news reports that bin Laden escaped to Pakistan
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, yeah? Well, sorry to interrupt your question, but if you'd
asked me the question yesterday, you would have said there's increasing news
reports that he's dead, and the day before, that he's hiding in a cave. In other
words, there's increasing speculation about bin Laden. But what one shouldn't
speculate on is if he's alive, he's on the run. And you don't need to worry
about whether or not we're going to get him, because we are. And it's just a
matter of time.
I mean, I've read reports where he died his hair red. That's not going to stop
us from finding him.
QUESTION: But what assurances have you gotten from President Musharraf that
if that is the case, that he'll find him and turn him --
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I appreciate that. President Musharraf has been very helpful.
Tommy has visited with him, I visited with him, the Secretary of Defense has
visited with him. And he said he will help in all matters. And we believe he'll
help with Mr. bin Laden, too, if, in fact, he happens to be in Pakistan. Who
knows where he is. But one thing is for certain; he's on the losing side of
a rout. And the other thing for certain is we're not going to stop until we
get him and all those murderers that are associated with him.
And who knows how many we've gotten to date, because we're gathering evidence.
We don't know whether some of those people are in those caves. And Tommy did
a fine job of shutting them down. They may still be locked up in there. And
as you know, we're sending troops up in that region to take a look at some of
the caves to find out what's in there. And we're going to have to dig some of
But as time will go on, we will know more and more about how successful we've
been. The point is, is that we are going to be there for a while. I'm patient.
The commander on the ground is executing the plan, and the American people are
in strong support of what's taking place.
Listen, thank you all for being here today. It's great to see you. Welcome back
to Prairie Chapel Ranch, and maybe we'll get you back out here before the New
Year's. If not, happy New Year. Thank you.
QUESTION: What are you doing for New Year's?
THE PRESIDENT: Probably going to bed early. (Laughter.)_
QUESTION: What are you doing with your days here?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I'm up -- I was up this morning at 5:00 a.m., spent a little
quality time with the First Lady. And I just finished my book, Theodore Rex,
by Edmund Morris, which is a fabulous book on Teddy Roosevelt. I recommend people
reading it. I am going to -- I would have gotten up and run three or four miles
this morning, which I'll probably do that this afternoon. I'm going to take
Tommy around to show him parts of the ranch. But if Tommy weren't here, I'd
be working down there, a little chain-saw work, clearing some brush, burning
We're making great progress in one of our -- one of the bottom areas that was
heretofore relatively inaccessible. One of these days I'll take you down there.
It's a beautiful place. It's a bodark grove -- bodark tree is a native tree,
real hard wood that grows these giant green, kind of apple-looking things. But
I'll spend time doing that.
And then this afternoon -- it gets dark here about 5:30 p.m., and so I'll probably
watch a little University of Texas football tonight.
QUESTION: What about the tree you planted yesterday?
THE PRESIDENT: Tree plant, very good. My senior staff gave me a beautiful oak,
10-inch oak. And we planted her right outside the house. I haven't written my
thank-you note yet, so I'll give them a verbal -- thanks for the tree. It is
a beauty. And we planted about -- I think we planted so far about 35 trees,
live oaks and cedar elms here. And it's going to be a beautiful sight for when
these trees -- when they take off.
Did a little fishing yesterday, by the way. Not very successful. The water is
cold, the fish are at the bottom. They're not biting very much. But just the
fact that I was able to fish was a nice treat.